Ash vs Evil Dead S03E08: Rifting Apart Discussion [SPOILERS]

MaidOfKandar

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Welcome to this week's Ash vs Evil Dead episode discussion thread! Some additional ground rules to the basic ones on the forum for those who want to participate:

1: This and all future threads will be a choose to warn experience; IE you will not need to use spoiler bars to talk about things that happened in this and previous episodes.

2: It is, however, advisable to use spoiler bars if you want to talk about spoilers for an unaired episode.

3: Please be respectful of the opinions of your fellow Deadites; some people may not love the episode as much as you do; some may love it more. Discussion and debate are good things.



LAST WEEK'S THREAD:

Here!



SUMMARY:

Ash and Pablo realize the rift in the cellar is the key to saving humanity and devise a plan to save the ones they love.


TRAILER:




Clips:

1, 2, 3 and 4


Gallery:

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Episode was written by Bryan Hill who wrote for the Walking Dead comic book and apparently has a writing credit on the new Teen Titans series, and was directed again by our old friend Mark Beesley.

All news, spoilers, clips and reactions pertaining to the episode are welcome!
 
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MaidOfKandar

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Added a final clip to the post!

I like the friendship that Dalton and Brandy have so far.

"Yeah, I met her - that was bad news."
 
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Muzzlehatch

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I really like all of the clips. I love serious Ash (much more ED2 like) and I wonder if Knowby is still somewhere in the rift. I always thought the Knowbys are characters the show could easily expand on to flesh out the mythology (altough I disliked the Prof. Knowby cameo in S2).
 

Joem1k

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Were firing on all cylinder's this episode still keeps the pace up from episode 7 and man the character interactions/work done in this episode was great. That whole scene with pablo and ash in the cellar about near had me on the floor, it's been long overdue for those two to have some dialogue alone together and man was it worth the wait.

Ash actually getting excited at the prospect of pablo and kelly hooking up and them having a kid together. Pablo's reaction being thrown that curve ball and his reaction afterwards.
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I always figured ash knew something was going on between the two. Glad to see my suspicions were correct!

I loved how they treated the rift like a maze for lost souls and that reaper was like the Minotaur waiting to chuck their souls down the well to the dogs below. Makes you wonder how shit out of luck the previous deaths were in the trilogy. especially being dead around the cabin, man that's a terrible thing to think about or even imagine what even happened to them :(

At least ash came in like he usually does and wrecks shop plus leaving a glimmer of hope for the people stuck there. The shot's of everyone smiling at the thing getting run over was a nice touch to add on to that !

Hell that scene captured ash's role perfectly well, no matter which fabric space of time or another realm of existence that's consumed by evil and hope seems lost for humanity, the chosen one comes in and vanquishes it before having to leave and go on to the next destination, the lasting impression/legacy he leaves behind for them will live on in infamy and leave them with one thing to hold on to and that's "Hope" in the times of darkness and despair.

and one more thing.

After 2 seasons worth of pablo being tortured and abused, his finally giving evil the middle finger. I predicted pablo being the MVP of this season at the start, i meant it, the dude is proving to be quite the asset to the team !

OOH RUBY, YOU GOT SOME EXPLAINING TO DO WITH YOUR BOSSES IN THE NEXT EPISODE.

Ruby's up for one god awful performance review, that's for sure !

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That final line was bone chillingly good plus that final shot.

"It is time to test the mettle of man"
 
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Kevin

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Personally I continue to be quite happy with this season and this episode continued that trend. The show hasn't been perfect and it's a shame so many people checked out and/or were not willing to pay the money and support this show. I feel like they've done a pretty good job with what is likely a fairly small budget but managed to make it work well enough to tell the story they wanted to tell.

I "think" I have mostly made my piece with the idea that this is likely the last season of the show and possibly the last time we will ever see Bruce Campbell as Ash. I'm not happy with this but I worked and did a hell of a lot of pushing this show more then anyone will know so I feel like I did my best in that regard and now I've just kind of decided to kick back and let the dominoes fall where they may.
 

MaidOfKandar

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Liked this overall - the Ash and Brandy relationship is paying off nicely, and the Pablo/Ash interaction was interesting. I liked Pablo's gradual taking a level in badass finally culminating the way it did, but I think in doing so he lost a bit of the softness that made his character unique and appealing. Had to happen to move the narrative along tho.

I'm glad Dalton went out nobly but wow, did he basically exist to be a punching bag.
 

Joem1k

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Liked this overall - the Ash and Brandy relationship is paying off nicely, and the Pablo/Ash interaction was interesting. I liked Pablo's gradual taking a level in badass finally culminating the way it did, but I think in doing so he lost a bit of the softness that made his character unique and appealing. Had to happen to move the narrative along tho.



I think his still that soft, kind hearted, awkward good guy at heart we still know and love but quite honestly, after 2 seasons worth of seeing him be mauled and chewed on by every known evil entity. It's very uplifting to see pablo not taking anymore shit this season, i know I've been loving it a lot seeing him transform from that nerdy/awkward co-worker at value stop that watches monday night raw with ash to the badass brujo his now turning into. Can't wait to see more of this pablo in these final two episodes.


That paint shaker kill was a thing of beauty, i think it top's kelly's deli slicer scene. Plus pablo's reaction and awkward punchline really hit that scene home as well.
 
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Guy

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Watching him get doused in blood from the paint mixer, and barely even responding or reacting anymore, says more about his character development than most lines of dialogue could.
 

Sutter Cane

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Well, This episode won't help to get any higher rating for sure. There's improvement on the tone and the atmosphere, but story wise what a dump. That's non sense and they just add more on the top of this big big mess. They just add more contradiction to the rules they established earlier. (Which they have already betrayed). That was a frustrating and painful episode to watch. I really feel the story is driven by a group of 10 years old children. At this point, no season 4 for me even if the final is jaw dropping.

Sorry I'm not buying the fact that you can be stabbed to death and then come back to life. C'mon! you can't go forth and back to the other side like this. That was way too easy. The logic is, if you're a Ghosbeater everything will be done to save you. If not, you'll just be chopped into pieces. So if they can save people life, what is the purpose to kill everyone if you can exorcised them, travel in time and bring their soul back from the underworld?
 

Joem1k

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Its a half hour program sutter, what else were you expecting a long hour rule book of what goes in the rift. I don't think so.

Plus the overtly long list of inconsistencies about the logistics of what brings you back to life in this franchise is quite frankly a lot. Like you said who comes back from the dead being stabbed.

Sheila did through the sheer power of whatever the hell the writers thought worked best so they could have a happy ending so we might as well call ivan and sam 10 year olds


Look the way i see the rules working or logic as you put it is as follows from what was shown and implied.

1. If your body is blown up ,sliced in half or it's badly damaged you probably ain't coming back. (Pablo,kelly,brandy and ash all were stabbed. those wounds can heal easily. Dalton on the other hand had his head exploded.)

2. If your body wasn't currently possessed by evil and the mortal wounds inflected upon you is only a stab wound then maybe you have a shot at being alive again that is if you survive and find a portal in time for that to even happen. That is if you even find a portal out of there in the first place which is highly unlikely.

3. If someone is currently in habiting your body you won't be able to leave or can't pass back over through the portal .

As for it being too easy, well all i have to say is this, if ash williams can travel through time no problem i don't see how traveling between realms is any different. the only difference is him having to die to even get there.

And as for saving everyone, that argument is a very thin one at best. Yes they could've saved everyone previously had they known about this trick long ago but they didn't, its not their fault they didn't stumble upon this sooner. And i hate to say this as well but you probably couldn't have saved everyone in that place, no feasible way they could have even if they tried to.

Plus you can't exactly get rid of a deadites spirit once its taken over a that persons body without killing it.

In short : im sorry the episode didn't stick the landing for you or live up to your expectations . im gonna respectively disagree they did as much as they could with it in the time they were given to set the rules for it, it really sucks when you wanna see stuff fleshed out more. Oh well at this point.
 

Sutter Cane

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Its a half hour program stutter, what the hell else were you expecting a long hour rule book of what goes in the rift. I don't think so.

Plus the overtly long list of inconsistencies about the logistics of what brings you back to life in this franchise is quite frankly a lot. Like you said who comes back from the dead being stabbed.

Sheila did through the sheer power of whatever the hell the writers thought worked best so they could have a happy ending so we might as well call ivan and sam 10 year olds


Look the way i see the rules working or logic as you put it is as follows from what was shown and implied.

1. If your body is blown up ,sliced in half or it's badly damaged you probably ain't coming back. (Pablo,kelly,brandy and ash all were stabbed. those wounds can heal easily. Dalton on the other hand had his head exploded.)

2. If your body wasn't currently possessed by evil and the mortal wounds inflected upon you is only a stab wound then maybe you have a shot at being alive again that is if you survive and find a portal in time for that to even happen. That is if you even find a portal out of there in the first place which is highly unlikely.

3. If someone is currently in habiting your body you won't be able to leave or can't pass back over through the portal .

As for it being too easy, well all i have to say is this, if ash williams can travel through time no problem i don't see how traveling between realms is any different. the only difference is him having to die to even get there.

And as for saving everyone, that argument is a very thin one at best. Yes they could've saved everyone previously had they known about this trick long ago but they didn't, its not their fault they didn't stumble upon this sooner. And i hate to say this as well but you probably couldn't have saved everyone in that place, no feasible way they could have even if they tried to.

Plus you can't exactly get rid of a deadites spirit once its taken over a that persons body without killing it.

In short : im sorry the episode didn't stick the landing for you or live up to your expectations . im gonna respectively disagree they did as much as they could with it in the time they were given to set the rules for it, it really sucks when you wanna see stuff fleshed out more. Oh well at this point.

At this point I'll not arguing. Don't be sorry it just not working on me anymore. Ash stabbed himself in the heart and Brandy directly in the middile of the back. How could you come back all without any wound.? They are all just invincible, this remove all the suspense over the whole thing. In my opinion they just went too far on the characters thoughness. They just can do everything they want.

Sheila in AoD was a deadite form and it was not clear if she's been stabbed or just hooked on by the belt with the spear. Once again this was not very clear. I won't come back on this.

We don't need a book of rules when you stick the orignal and only rule. Shouldn't be as complicated, unexplained and messy.
 

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At this point I'll not arguing. Don't be sorry it just not working on me anymore. Ash stabbed himself in the heart and Brandy directly in the middile of the back. How could you come back all without any wound.? They are all just invincible, this remove all the suspense over the whole thing. In my opinion they just went too far on the characters thoughness. They just can do everything they want.

Sheila in AoD was a deadite form and it was not clear if she's been stabbed or just hooked on by the belt with the spear. Once again this was not very clear. I won't come back on this.

We don't need a book of rules when you stick the orignal and only rule. Shouldn't be as complicated, unexplained and messy.
Bodily wounds work weirdly in the ED universe. In the 2013 adaptation Mia was able to recover from all of her wounds (tongue slicing, burns all over body, etc) simply because the evil left her body and because her brother ""atoned""" for abandoning her
 

Joem1k

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@Sutter Cane

Im gonna say them dieing recently had a cause and effect on their wounds healing. their soul coming back into their body probably helped as well though to a extent as ash's hand didn't come back so im gonna say any recent wound they were killed by is gone when they return.

Don't worry i get what you are saying and i agree with you on the rules but as much as it pains me to say this the creator's themselves of this franchise have never been one for sticking within their own rule's. For example: Deadite possesses ash in ed2, how does he come back from that when its already been ruled in the first film once evil takes you can't come back from it.

Well they went ahead and had the sun not only be a weakness but also the power of love helped bring him back.
(what? Don't get me wrong its a powerful plot point for ash's motives but it's cheesy as all hell and ruins that suspense of the deadites when a main character can simply fight them off with love and the sun.)

The creator's don't stick with their own rules and this was a trend they kept doing from Ed2 - to now. Its inconsistencie after another and bending and breaking the rules they already established in ed1.

That's where i just click my head off at that point because if the creator's don't take the rules seriously that they made, im not going to take it seriously. *end rant*
 
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Sutter Cane

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Bodily wounds work weirdly in the ED universe. In the 2013 adaptation Mia was able to recover from all of her wounds (tongue slicing, burns all over body, etc) simply because the evil left her body and because her brother ""atoned""" for abandoning her

The whole resurrection thing in ED remake kinda turn me off. It work but it was forced a lot. Well about the mutilation of Mia, I guess that it was simply a Deadite illusion thing. That was both things that I disliked about the remake.

About ED2, Since Ash is supposed to be "The Chosen one", This might explain why he is the exception to the rule. This is what I always thought. But yes, I agree it was never explained at all.

I know the movies aren't perfect. They have SOME flaws. It's hard to forgive and yes I can pass over a few things...and I did.

But the series so far is a big collection of flaws. I can take some of them but now it's just too much for my taste.

At this point, Ill not give my opinion on the rest of the series because they just lost me. That's all.
 
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Joem1k

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Yeah i gotcha, no worries man.

To me at this point, im more focused on the journey with the main character's after being 2 years invested with this main group. Im just happy to see them getting fleshed out and given proper conclusions. Really looking forward to seeing how they wrap this all up, good or bad. At least i can say in hindsight once its over my investment in the ghostbeaters journey to the finish line was not a complete waste.

Gonna also be forever grateful that we didn't get Craig's vision of s3 we wouldn't have gotten the amount of emotional value/intensity this last half is providing in spades.
 

Muzzlehatch

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I do not want to argue about the logic of the whole thing because like you guys say the movies aren't that consistent either. But I have to agree more with Sutter Cane than Joe and Guy. The repeating ressurection of main characters really hurts the suspension, especially in a franchise named EVIL DEAD. I mean that's what made the movies so thrilling. The omipresent danger and the entertaining but always cruel fate of nearly everyone who crosses way with Ash. I know AoD took it much lighter, but in general that movie is not a perfect blue print for a modern horror series either.
 
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