Ash vs Evil Dead Season 2 General Discussion Thread [MARK YOUR SPOILERS!]

[Joem1k]

After Diner has posted up it's preview for EP7

http://aftermoviediner.com/feed/news/press-release/pictures/ash-vs-evil-dead/0207/delusion

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Good god that 2nd clip, you guys wanted some serious ash moments well here ya go.

 

[MaidOfKandar]

Adding this to the new discussion thread, thank you Joe!

Also if anyone's looking to maintain a sense of suspense over this ep's big twist, don't look at your cable guide.  The description for Episode 8 kind of wrecks it.

 

[Mardeadite]

Episode 9 synopsis is out! Serious spoiler! I wouldn't read it if you like a certain character. They really are going Game of Thrones..

I haven't even seen any of Series 2 yet and someone

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 spoiled a characters death

 on Twitter.

Okay, it didn't particularly surprise me, but it really irritated me just the same.

 

[MaidOfKandar]

The show's social media has a severe problem with keeping spoilers under wraps, TBH, I'm not surprised people are just as bad about keeping the hashtags quiet.  Between the actors teasing Ellen's appearance in the Comic Con press to the Tumblr posting untagged spoilers before the episode airs to them having spoilers in the next episode's guide info, they seem to count way too much on people watching on the app/On Demand instead of waiting for the live broadcast.

+7s for Confinement are in, the combined is a 600 flat, which is down about 35k from the previous week.

 

[Kain]

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-dw47BOQ4Q[/video]

 

[MaidOfKandar]

Y'know, I didn't notice it at first blush...

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Who's the chick doing the Ashy Slashy rhyme?

 

[MaidOfKandar]

And the show is up 007 at 337k.

 

[Joem1k]

After diner preview is up plus the gallery !

http://aftermoviediner.com/feed/news/press-release/pictures/ash-vs-evil-dead/0208/ashy-slashy

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First Clip

With the way that camera shot is setup  i can't help but wonder if this isn't going to be the moment where they finally seal the deal, the build up is there and they cut just at the right moment, don't wanna get my hopes up but all the signs are pointing to it in that clip. 

*fingers crossed* 


Fair warning about the second clip it has major spoilers so if i were you guys i would avoid it like the plague.

And here's the gallery *WARNING THERE IS SOME MAJOR SPOILERS IN THIS GALLERY*

http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/evildead/gallery2/gallery8/gallery.htm

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[img=400x267]http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/evildead/gallery2/gallery8/hires/2.jpg[/img]

[img=200x196]http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/36000000/Horror-Movies-image-horror-movies-36078575-245-240.gif[/img]

Screw evil ash, give me more of this ash cause his just down right terrifying. Bruce is gonna kill it this week i can just feel it 

 

[DyD]

Ok, about those pictures...

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That frickin' puppet was REAL? What in the hell? That doesn't make any sense. Also, where the hell did Ash get those clothes? Could this mean Ash was committed to a real insane asylum and most of the stuff from last episode was actually happening? I mean, if that isn't the case, why would Ash even change into that getup? At the beginning I was thinking that even the asylum itself was an illusion, and even though I can live with the highly questionable idea of Baal taking the time to actually take Ash to an abandoned insane asylum to do his thing, I can't really wrap my head around the idea of most of the stuff from last episode actually happening. That would change my views on the last episode in a big way. Color me cautiously curious to find out what's actually happening here.

 

[Joem1k]

Ok, about those pictures...

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That frickin' puppet was REAL? What in the hell? That doesn't make any sense. Also, where the hell did Ash get those clothes? Could this mean Ash was committed to a real insane asylum and most of the stuff from last episode was actually happening? I mean, if that isn't the case, why would Ash even change into that getup? At the beginning I was thinking that even the asylum itself was an illusion, and even though I can live with the highly questionable idea of Baal taking the time to actually take Ash to an abandoned insane asylum to do his thing, I can't really wrap my head around the idea of most of the stuff from last episode actually happening. That would change my views on the last episode in a big way. Color me cautiously curious to find out what's actually happening here.

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I would like to point out how worn out and weathered ash's clothes are in that picture if you go back and look at the end of the episode they looked brand new but here in reality they appear to be very old and have seen better years in general, i'm gonna take a wild guess and say baal was having everything appear well kept up but in reality baal threw the veil over ash's eyes and everything he set-up was indeed just that, all a very elaborate mind game set-up by baal.

 

[DyD]

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I would like to point out how worn out and weathered ash's clothes are in that picture if you go back and look at the end of the episode they looked brand new but here in reality they appear to be very old and have seen better years in general, i'm gonna take a wild guess and say baal was having everything appear well kept up but in reality baal threw the veil over ash's eyes and everything he set-up was indeed just that, all a very elaborate mind game set-up by baal.

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That still means Baal went through the trouble of dressing up Ash and making an Ash puppet just to play theater. That doesn't make any sense. If he can induce powerful, realer-than-real illusions and actually get into people's minds, why did he have to do any of that? Actually, when did he do those things? How long did Ash stay in the abandoned asylum? Can Baal just manifest objects like that? If he can, of all the things he could do with that power he decides to make a FRICKIN' PUPPET? The puppet in particular, is what gets to me. The only reason the puppet didn't bother me last episode is because I really thought it was just a representation of Ash's fractured psyche and a complete figment of his imagination. If there's an actual puppet there that Kelly can interact with, I'm taking back almost everything I said about it last episode. The puppet only makes sense as an illusion and it only makes sense if Ash is the one interacting with it.

 

[Joem1k]

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I would like to point out how worn out and weathered ash's clothes are in that picture if you go back and look at the end of the episode they looked brand new but here in reality they appear to be very old and have seen better years in general, i'm gonna take a wild guess and say baal was having everything appear well kept up but in reality baal threw the veil over ash's eyes and everything he set-up was indeed just that, all a very elaborate mind game set-up by baal.

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That still means Baal went through the trouble of dressing up Ash and making a frickin' Ash puppet just to play theater. That doesn't make any sense. If he can induce powerful, realer-than-real illusions and actually get into people's minds, why did he have to do any of that? Actually, when did he do those things? How long did Ash stay in the abandoned asylum? Can Baal just manifest objects like that? If he can, of all the things he could do with that power he decides to make a FRICKIN' PUPPET? The puppet in particular, is what gets to me. The only reason the puppet didn't bother me last episode is because I really thought it was just a representation of Ash's fractured psyche and a complete figment of his imagination. If there's an actual puppet there that Kelly can interact with, I'm taking back almost everything I said about it last episode. The puppet only makes sense as an illusion and it only makes sense if Ash is the one interacting with it.

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Because his playing chess with them, baal reminds me of freddy krueger, his cocky, a egomaniac and like how freddy does with his victims likes to play with his food a bit too much. He enjoys to torture and breakdown his victims until there nothing more then a rapid dog leftover and he can bend them to his will. What his doing with ash is basically taking two birds out with 1 stone, he wants pablo/the book and as he stated before wants to break ash in the process. What better way to do that then to have ash kill pablo himself and reap the rewards afterwards, once ash is done he get's the book and breaks ash all in one fell swoop. It dosen't matter weither or not the puppet is real or why he doesn't take the simple way out with all of his powers, that's just not in his nature. As the saying goes, slow and steady wins the race

 

[DyD]

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Because his playing chess with them, baal reminds me of freddy krueger, his cocky, a egomaniac and like how freddy does with his victims likes to play with his food a bit too much. He enjoys to torture and breakdown his victims until there nothing more then a rapid dog leftover and he can bend them to his will. What his doing with ash is basically taking two birds out with 1 stone, he wants pablo/the book and as he stated before wants to break ash in the process. What better way to do that then to have ash kill pablo himself and reap the rewards afterwards, once ash is done he get's the book and breaks ash all in one fell swoop. It dosen't matter weither or not the puppet is real or why he doesn't take the simple way out with all of his powers, that's just not in his nature. As the saying goes, slow and steady wins the race

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Dude, I get all that. That has been made perfectly clear. I'm not talking about Baal's motives/personality/objectives here. I'm talking about the practical aspects of what he's actually doing. I'm talking about elements of the story and the way the show is choosing to present them. The image of all-powerful, super demon Baal dressing up Ash like a doll and making an Ash puppet, specially when he doesn't have to do any of that to achieve what he wants, is ridiculous to me. Nothing about Baal's personality/motives/objectives explains any of that. I'm talking about the connective tissue between episodes 6 and 7 and now 7 and 8. It seems like there's missing information and there's a lot in those spaces that doesn't make much sense without that information. Also, it absolutely does matter if the puppet is real or not, because it changes what it actually means in the story and the way I decide to look at it completely.

But hey, here we go again arguing about stuff from an episode that hasn't even aired yet. Maybe it's best if we put a pin on it until we've actually watched the episode to see what it's actually happening here.

 

[Joem1k]

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Because his playing chess with them, baal reminds me of freddy krueger, his cocky, a egomaniac and like how freddy does with his victims likes to play with his food a bit too much. He enjoys to torture and breakdown his victims until there nothing more then a rapid dog leftover and he can bend them to his will. What his doing with ash is basically taking two birds out with 1 stone, he wants pablo/the book and as he stated before wants to break ash in the process. What better way to do that then to have ash kill pablo himself and reap the rewards afterwards, once ash is done he get's the book and breaks ash all in one fell swoop. It dosen't matter weither or not the puppet is real or why he doesn't take the simple way out with all of his powers, that's just not in his nature. As the saying goes, slow and steady wins the race

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Dude, I get all that. That has been made perfectly clear. I'm not talking about Baal's motives/personality/objectives here. I'm talking about the practical aspects of what he's actually doing. I'm talking about elements of the story and the way the show is choosing to present them. The image of all-powerful, super demon Baal dressing up Ash like a doll and making an Ash puppet, specially when he doesn't have to do any of that to achieve what he wants, is ridiculous to me. My problem is with the connective tissue between episodes 6 and 7 and now 7 and 8. It seems like there's missing information and there's a lot in those spaces that doesn't make much sense without that information. Nothing about Baal's personality/motives/objectives explains any of that. Also, it absolutely does matter if the puppet is real or not, because it changes what it actually means and the way I decide to look at it completely.

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At this point, i wanna just say "it's evil dead and just roll with it, not everything is gonna line up or make sense and some things are best left unexplained" but that would just be the cheap way out of it, i'm gonna try my best to explain some of this the best possible way i can so here it goes. (i can't say anything on 8 because the episode hasn't aired yet)

- The team notice ash is missing and linda tells them about him   and mentions emery dragging him away, they put two and two together and go pick up his delta from the shop (ash mentions in episode 5 while his singing his tune that his going to pick the delta up from the shop) and they use the pet tracker to track him down at the asylum which i'm going to guess probably took them hours to locate the tracker at the right location. (Little detail i noticed, at the end when ash is looking out at them pablo is seen holding his phone as they get out of the car.) 

- Now that puppet has been confirmed as not apart of ash's imagination, i'm gonna guess either the puppet is a demon like entity baal conjured up which would explain why his seen in the next episodes pictures OR he was just infact a puppet in ash's mind and baal manipulated it to make it seem real and talking but in real life actually isn't, and during ep 8 the kandarian demon possesses the puppet making it become a actual living breathing thing. i would like to mention and point out he has deadite white iris's in the picture were kel has a hold of him. 

That's all i got for right now, if missed anything let me know, and don't worry man i ain't trying to cause a fuss, i'm just trying to help connect the dots the best to my ablity like you are. 

 

[DyD]

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At this point, i wanna just say "it's evil dead and just roll with it, not everything is gonna line up or make sense and some things are best left unexplained" but that would just be the cheap way out of it

I'm glad you said that's the cheap way out of it, because that kind of mentality right there is why we can't have nice things... I really, really hate when people say that. Moving on:

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- The team notice ash is missing and linda tells them about him   and mentions emery dragging him away, they put two and two together and go pick up his delta from the shop (ash mentions in episode 5 while his singing his tune that his going to pick the delta up from the shop) and they use the pet tracker to track him down at the asylum which i'm going to guess probably took them hours to locate the tracker at the right location. (Little detail i noticed, at the end when ash is looking out at them pablo is seen holding his phone as they get out of the car.)

That's all fine and dandy. I can connect the dots like that just fine. But again, that isn't exactly what I'm talking about. Going back to my first post, I'm talking about what actually is going on with Ash during his illusion. I'm talking about the practical aspects of Baal's plan. How long did that illusion take? Why is Ash suddenly wearing a straightjacket? How much of all of that was real? How much of it wasn't? Why is Pablo suddenly alright? The answer to a lot of those questions is in the connective tissue between episodes they're apparently skipping and ignoring completely. But like I said and you agreed with, it's pointless to go on about this in this manner since we haven't actually watched episode 8 yet and neither of us have all the information. I was just going off the first impressions I got from those pictures. That's all.

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- Now that puppet has been confirmed as not apart of ash's imagination, i'm gonna guess either the puppet is a demon like entity baal conjured up which would explain why his seen in the next episodes pictures OR he was just infact a puppet in ash's mind and baal manipulated it to make it seem real and talking but in real life actually isn't, and during ep 8 the kandarian demon possesses the puppet making it become a actual living breathing thing. i would like to mention and point out he has deadite white iris's in the picture were kel has a hold of him.

Your first theory is acceptable, even though I still think it's kinda lame and less meaningful/interesting than what I thought the puppet was last episode. Your second theory still has the same problem I've been pointing out... Baal would still have had to produce a puppet bearing Ash's likeness.

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That's all i got for right now, if missed anything let me know, and don't worry man i ain't trying to cause a fuss, i'm just trying to help connect the dots the best to my ablity like you are. 

Don't worry, it's all good. This whole discussion has in fact gone out of control already. Like I said, I was just going off the first impressions I got from the pictures. I was just reacting to Ash's odd change of clothes and seeing the puppet interacting with someone else, as both of those things completely change the way I was interpreting what was going on last episode. I never intended to discuss any of this at this length at the moment. I mean, let's save something for after we watched the episode.

 

[Joem1k]

@Dyd
Sorry that got out of hand, once i get going on something i have a hard time finding the brakes cause i wanna try and figure it out but i tend to get overboard with it, anyways i think it's just me  being completely amped for ep 8 in general, so once again sorry for that. 


Anyways i'd thought i would post this very awesome and informative interview that jon cross from after the diner did with dana delorenzo and in this interview she reveals a interesting detail about Kelly's anchor necklaces for this season and the meaning behind them. 

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Apparently the anchor's are a tribute to her mother because if you remember in ep 2 she tells ash her favorite book was "the old man and the sea" i didn't put the two together until now.

Here's the link !  

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/boothtalk/2016/11/18/interview-with-dana-delorenzo

 

[Nick el Ass]

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Because his playing chess with them, baal reminds me of freddy krueger, his cocky, a egomaniac and like how freddy does with his victims likes to play with his food a bit too much. He enjoys to torture and breakdown his victims until there nothing more then a rapid dog leftover and he can bend them to his will. What his doing with ash is basically taking two birds out with 1 stone, he wants pablo/the book and as he stated before wants to break ash in the process. What better way to do that then to have ash kill pablo himself and reap the rewards afterwards, once ash is done he get's the book and breaks ash all in one fell swoop. It dosen't matter weither or not the puppet is real or why he doesn't take the simple way out with all of his powers, that's just not in his nature. As the saying goes, slow and steady wins the race

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Dude, I get all that. That has been made perfectly clear. I'm not talking about Baal's motives/personality/objectives here. I'm talking about the practical aspects of what he's actually doing. I'm talking about elements of the story and the way the show is choosing to present them. The image of all-powerful, super demon Baal dressing up Ash like a doll and making an Ash puppet, specially when he doesn't have to do any of that to achieve what he wants, is ridiculous to me. My problem is with the connective tissue between episodes 6 and 7 and now 7 and 8. It seems like there's missing information and there's a lot in those spaces that doesn't make much sense without that information. Nothing about Baal's personality/motives/objectives explains any of that. Also, it absolutely does matter if the puppet is real or not, because it changes what it actually means and the way I decide to look at it completely.

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At this point, i wanna just say "it's evil dead and just roll with it, not everything is gonna line up or make sense and some things are best left unexplained" but that would just be the cheap way out of it, i'm gonna try my best to explain some of this the best possible way i can so here it goes. (i can't say anything on 8 because the episode hasn't aired yet)

- The team notice ash is missing and linda tells them about him   and mentions emery dragging him away, they put two and two together and go pick up his delta from the shop (ash mentions in episode 5 while his singing his tune that his going to pick the delta up from the shop) and they use the pet tracker to track him down at the asylum which i'm going to guess probably took them hours to locate the tracker at the right location. (Little detail i noticed, at the end when ash is looking out at them pablo is seen holding his phone as they get out of the car.) 

- Now that puppet has been confirmed as not apart of ash's imagination, i'm gonna guess either the puppet is a demon like entity baal conjured up which would explain why his seen in the next episodes pictures OR he was just infact a puppet in ash's mind and baal manipulated it to make it seem real and talking but in real life actually isn't, and during ep 8 the kandarian demon possesses the puppet making it become a actual living breathing thing. i would like to mention and point out he has deadite white iris's in the picture were kel has a hold of him. 

That's all i got for right now, if missed anything let me know, and don't worry man i ain't trying to cause a fuss, i'm just trying to help connect the dots the best to my ablity like you are. 

 

[Nick el Ass]

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- Now that puppet has been confirmed as not apart of ash's imagination, i'm gonna guess either the puppet is a demon like entity baal conjured up which would explain why his seen in the next episodes pictures OR he was just infact a puppet in ash's mind and baal manipulated it to make it seem real and talking but in real life actually isn't, and during ep 8 the kandarian demon possesses the puppet making it become a actual living breathing thing. i would like to mention and point out he has deadite white iris's in the picture were kel has a hold of him.

Your first theory is acceptable, even though I still think it's kinda lame and less meaningful/interesting than what I thought the puppet was last episode. Your second theory still has the same problem I've been pointing out... Baal would still have had to produce a puppet bearing Ash's likeness. If that's the case, where the hell did it come from?

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 I didn't even notice the puppets eyes until I look at the picture a second time, and the idea of Kelly battling it out with a possessed puppet is fucking awesome. I can't help, but wonder if the puppet is a manifestation of what was in Ash's mind... or if since the gang is all there Baal is just playing with their minds too. It is hard to tell, but if they are having issues while Ash is on a rampage it could make for an interesting time. I haven't even really looked at the clips in depth. 

 

[DyD]

@Dyd
Sorry that got out of hand, once i get going on something i have a hard time finding the brakes cause i wanna try and figure it out but i tend to get overboard with it, anyways i think it's just me  being completely amped for ep 8 in general, so once again sorry for that. 

There's nothing to feel sorry about. I already told you that I respect your opinions and how passionately you express them, even though we don't usually agree on a lot of things. We can resume this discussion after the episode airs. ;-)

 

[Kain]

Sucks there won't be a new episode Thanksgiving weekend.