The Merger-How Will It Happen?

[Panos]

This last time out before the rumors died, Sam was the one who denied there will be a crossover when his words were misinterpreted at Comic Con a few years ago.

When was that? Cause again when Sam was at Comic Con in 2015 he had said this:  https://youtu.be/y0qy4sifQRY?t=539 
Has he legitimetly said something recently hinting that that wasnt going to happen? 
 

Actually, Fede's alternated those two answers repeatedly in interviews; as always, the 'true' one has been left to interpretation, since it can't be both.

Do you have any links to Fede saying that the 2013 Evil Dead is a remake and not another Evil Dead movie? Cause honestly i have never heard him say that it wasn't just another Evil Dead movie in any interviews.

I sincerely and honestly don't think that they booted DiGregario from the project because they have some ultimate plan to bring in Mia or make her Ash's kid.

Oh i don't think that they plan to make Mia Ash's daughter either. When Bruce joked about it during Comic Con a few years back Sam said that that wouldn't be the case. I do however think that they are willing to give Mia the nod over Kelly. 
I have not watched the DvD behind the scenes stuff but did they actually film the final episode before scrapping it? I dont think so. And the Kelly is Ash's daughter twist is only revealed in that final episode and although you could say it was "hinted" at during the season it wasnt really. Yes they made Kelly have more and more badasss moments but thats something that they would eventually have to do with both the side characters at some point since the show couldnt just be Ash doing all the work, others need to step up too. And that was probably fine with everyone as long as DiGregorio didn't force them into long term situations they didnt want, like making Kelly Ash's daughter. That i think interfered with their long term plan and it was the final nail in the coffin for DiGregorio.  But of course we cant be 100% sure about it either way and we will have to wait and see. And again, since there are a lot of pieces that need to be in place for the crossover to actually happen they cant completely tie the showrunner's arms up creatively since that would greatly compromise the show as a whole , but all they can do untill the timing is right is make sure that the crossover window is open and thats what they are doing at the moment i feel. 

As for the movie's critical and popular acclaim, the reviews are just above middling at 65 percent, IMDB results aren't the best indicator of popularity due to people with multiple accounts rigging results (If you know anything about the way people used to network on those boards to try an upvote certain projects...just yeah...)

Oh i know that IMDB is full of that for sure but in this particular case i would argue that there are people with multiple accounts trying to do the opposite (as in give it a negative score) for the 2013 Evil Dead raiting. If you looked at the movie's IMDB message boards before they were shut down they were full of trolls who shitted on the remake and everyone involed with it making multiple threads with multiple accounts.  People like Veggie (notorious IMDB troll)  and many others kept posting shit. 
And also thats why i gave other examples such as the fan score for Metacritic and RT. 
As far as reddit goes here are some links to very recent threads (as in this past year) talking about the 2013 Evil Dead:
https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/61xvm7/the_evil_dead_remake_opinions/
https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/60si4g/what_is_the_absolute_most_terrifying_movie_you/
https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/3up5o1/evil_dead_2013_rhorror_official_discussion/

https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/3qqo70/any_hollywood_horror_movies_like_the_2013_evil/
https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/5nit7v/whats_the_best_horror_remake_or_reboot_youve_seen/
https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/3qdc01/what_are_your_top_10_modern_horror_films_20052015/ <- someone ranking it among their top 10 movies in the last decade.
And as a person who frequents in both r/horror and r/movies The 2013 Evil Dead is very often brought up in the discussion in comment threads and its mostly very positive. 
in r/moves for example this comment was just posted yesterday. 
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/649ghx/what_is_one_movie_where_the_3rd_act_completely/dg0e4h6/ 
As far as Kelly's direction in Season 3 goes it remains to be seen and it depends on what their plans for the 3rd season are as a whole and if they are actually expecting for the show to go into a possible season 4 (the raitings are not outstanding) and im not that familiar with how Starz handles things since i litteraly ever heard of it when AvED was announced but how long do they usually have shows last on their network? I wouldn't expect her to change much from what we saw in the 2nd season though. Although i have heard plenty of fan rumors saying that Kelly might team up with Ruby and become some sort of antagonistic duo.

 

[Joem1k]

You bring up an interesting point, Nick - how will the show handle the direction of Kelly's character, after all that build-up?

Well given how s2 ended with kelly and ash arc's and what ruby told her, maybe we'll see kelly start to see her forge her own path going into S3, that would be the way to go if it were me.

Mark did mention in his interview for s3 that he was wanting to open the characters up more, exploring there relationships a bit more and how they interact plus challenging them in different ways which in my eyes is the way the way to go, the group dynamic plus the chemistry they have showcased so far between the three of them has been great  and to hear what mark want's to do with that is music to my ears. 

(Here's that interview btw)

Source : http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/ash-vs-evil-dead-exclusive-mark-verheiden-teases-season-three-changes/


On the topic of IMDB

I've never trusted those IMDB scores because of how people can make multiple accounts and boost the ratings or lower them, plus the overall toxic nature the message boards were on that site was just a sight to behold in general.  :rolleyes:

 

[MaidOfKandar]

When was that? Cause again when Sam was at Comic Con in 2015 he had said this:  https://youtu.be/y0qy4sifQRY?t=539 

Has he legitimetly said something recently hinting that that wasnt going to happen? 

Here's Sam's Post-Comic Con Mea Culpa Re that.  I'd say EW is a pretty legit source.  The quote:

“That’s something that I said I wanted to see,” says Raimi. “And I talked to Fede Alvarez, the director of the Evil Dead remake, and even said it at Comic-Con. But the reality is, once you’ve got these showrunners and writers working on this juggernaut, trying to figure out where the season’s going to go, it’s very hard to simultaneously write a combo movie that would fit in with where the series is going to end up at that particular point, and it really would have to coalesce with what the writers are doing in the writers’ room. So even though I said it, realistically, I don’t know how we’d be able to pull it off at this particular moment.”

Basically, it's too hard at this particular time, and probably won't happen, if at all, until AvED ends.

Do you have any links to Fede saying that the 2013 Evil Dead is a remake and not another Evil Dead movie? Cause honestly i have never heard him say that it wasn't just another Evil Dead movie in any interviews.

He's said in multiple interviews that it's a 'reimagining' and that the universe exists parallel to the Ashverse, so to speak (and he's also said that it exists in a world where Ash dies, or one where he never existed; it honestly depends on which interview from 2013 you're looking at).  That one quote's been scattered all over and I think he said it in an AICN article.

I have not watched the DvD behind the scenes stuff but did they actually film the final episode before scrapping it? I dont think so....

They got all the way to the very last minute it when Tapert changed his mind and fired Craig, according to Craig.  It's very unusual (and considered impolitic) for a producer to change everything last minute.  

Oh i know that IMDB is full of that for sure but in this particular case i would argue that there are people with multiple accounts trying to do the opposite (as in give it a negative score) for the 2013 Evil Dead raiting. 

As far as Kelly's direction in Season 3 goes it remains to be seen and it depends on what their plans for the 3rd season are as a whole and if they are actually expecting for the show to go into a possible season 4 (the raitings are not outstanding) and im not that familiar with how Starz handles things since i litteraly ever heard of it when AvED was announced but how long do they usually have shows last on their network? I wouldn't expect her to change much from what we saw in the 2nd season though. Although i have heard plenty of fan rumors saying that Kelly might team up with Ruby and become some sort of antagonistic duo.

I think people were honestly pulling in both directions RE the rating.  And yep, I know those boards were a mess.  ALL Of the boards sitewide were, which was why they flushed them.

And yes, you've given some decent examples but even on those threads mixed opinions exist.  Saying it ranks high-middle to popular opinion isn't a bad fate, I think!

Starz can sometimes keep shows on for a long time: Black Sails ended after five years, Blunt talk ended after two after crashing.   Starz will cancel shows that get bad ratings, so if AvED's don't perk up significantly or season 2's DVD sales are poor and American Gods (which will have similar demos to what they want for AvED) does well, things could get concerning.  The trouble with the show is that it's been leaking viewers since (ironically) the head-up-the-butt episode from last season.

I don't know if I'd be behind turning Kelly evil.  That'd just be too easy, y'know?  And then all of the female characters except for Linda will have turned bad, which is traditional for the franchise, sure, but shits on the Pablo/Ash/Kelly bond that's been percolating pretty nicely.

@Joe - I wonder what that's going to mean for the character dynamics?  I'm intrigued.

 

[Panos]

Here's Sam's Post-Comic Con Mea Culpa Re that.  I'd say EW is a pretty legit source. 

Huh, i had actually never seen that interview before. So yeah thats interesting ,although that was a few years ago and before they completely change the showrunner for the show. But yeah i see your point. At least as far as season 3 goes it doesn't seem like Mia will be making an appearance since something would have been announced by now. Also they have started shooting already and Jane doesnt seem to be anywhere near New Zeland. 

I don't see this as a bad thing personally since in my perfect senario i want a sequel to Fede's Evil Dead before a crossover happens. Give Mia one more (hopefully good) solo movie and then crossover. 

They got all the way to the very last minute it when Tapert changed his mind and fired Craig, according to Craig

Personally i wouldn't trust much of anything that Craig said in that interview , honestly i lost a lot of respect for him the minute he immediately came out calling people out. Since we only have one side of story i would say its better not to jump to conclusions. 

 plus the overall toxic nature the message boards were on that site was just a sight to behold in general.

ALL Of the boards sitewide were, which was why they flushed them.

Yeah , its sad cause those threads were actually really handy and if you could avoid the trolls you could actually have good discussions.

Btw on that topic i don't know if you guys know already but someone has archived the majority of the IMDB boards and set them up and running again. Haven't searched up every single movie and show to see if they exist but it seems like most are still there and usable. https://moviechat.org/ if you guys are interested. 

And yes, you've given some decent examples but even on those threads mixed opinions exist.  Saying it ranks high-middle to popular opinion isn't a bad fate, I think!

Yeah again, it was a divisive movie. There are people that LOVED it and people that HATED it. But you could say that was also the case for the original right? Personally i loved the 2013 film but i respect people who didn't (as long as they are not assholes about it).
Movie enjoyment is subjective after all. 

The one thing that gets me in general though is when you can tell someone hates on something just to hate. I've seen comments for example on the 2013 Evil Dead saying "Even the gore looked bad, the CGI was horrible" and im like "Yeah...right"  

Starz will cancel shows that get bad ratings, so if AvED's don't perk up significantly or season 2's DVD sales are poor and American Gods (which will have similar demos to what they want for AvED) does well, things could get concerning.  The trouble with the show is that it's been leaking viewers since (ironically) the head-up-the-butt episode from last season.

Yeah i really hope S3 does good rating wise. I've said it before but i think the biggest issue for the show is that it is airing on Starz. Which really isn't a mainstream network that will attract many new viewers to the Evil Dead universe. Imagine if this was on a bigger network with millions watching and got much more publicity. But it is a double edged sword since they can only get away with the stuff they are doing on Starz.

And what was your guys opinion on the colon scene? It seemed to be a big point of disagreement between Rob and DiGregorio and i would have to side with Rob on that one. Yes Evil Dead is shocking but between that and the Kelly vs Puppet piss licking scene i found myself thinking "that really wasnt needed" and in a bad way. And it appears i wasn't the only one thinking that. 

I don't know if I'd be behind turning Kelly evil.  That'd just be too easy, y'know?  And then all of the female characters except for Linda will have turned bad, which is traditional for the franchise, sure, but shits on the Pablo/Ash/Kelly bond that's been percolating pretty nicely.

Not a huge fan of that idea either. But i am really interested in seeing who the "big bad" will be this season. Will it be Ruby again , which if that will be the case i feel the show will be going in circles. Or will they introduce someone new ala Ball (who was the worst part of season 2 in my opinion). They might need to pull a twist like that i feel. But we don't know anything about the story of S3 yet so you never know. 

maybe we'll see kelly start to see her forge her own path going into S3, that would be the way to go if it were me.

Possibly her leaving the group of Ash and Pablo you mean?

 

[MaidOfKandar]

  Having a billion links to this stuff is a side benefit of blogrunning!  

I'm pretty much not confident we'll see anything remake-related done until at least past 2020.  Fede's whole next year and a half is going to be eaten by the Salander movie and if it's a hit he's going to get offered more high tier projects.  

RE Rob versus Craig: at this point it's very much he said/he said at this point.  But the fact that the season 2 finale was such slapdash nonsense that makes very little sense speaks to the notion that Craig might be the one in the right.  You know Season 3 is going to deus ex machina this stuff up.  But Rob was vibrantly disgusted with some of the stuff in season one on commentary, so you could say that the push-pull was mutual.

RE the remake: I hate to be that person, but to be fair Bruce is on-record that they used 'post sweetening' (AKA CGI) in the movie.  it's mostly practical effects but it's 98 percent practical effects.  I believe he said this in a panel after the remake was released.

Also actually, Starz DOES have the capability to pull in millions.  Outlander, Power and Black Sails have all gotten over a million viewers, in cumes and without, at various times in their runs; AVED used to pull in a million in cumes in season one until things started to collapse last year.  It's really more that they've been losing people gradually as time goes on.  

I agree with you RE the bedpan scene but I actually found the colon scene funny.  Anyone else wanna share thoughts?

spoilers for season 3

Spoiler

I think Ruby's going to revert to being the big bad, with a likely assist from the teenagers who grab the Nec from the woods.  It's likely Baal will be there too.

 

[Joem1k]

I agree with you RE the bedpan scene but I actually found the colon scene funny.  Anyone else wanna share thoughts?

spoilers for season 3

Spoiler

I think Ruby's going to revert to being the big bad, with a likely assist from the teenagers who grab the Nec from the woods.  It's likely Baal will be there too.

The Morgue scene was funny and hilarious due in part to how ash reacted to whole situation but here's the thing looking back at it now, it was defiantly not a "evil dead" moment but more so a troma film /re-animator moment more then anything else, i still love it but i agree with rob in saying that scene was not ED, I think might be the odd man out in saying the bedpan scene was really hilarious. 

Yeah, about that spoiler there missy.  

Joel Tobeck is filming stuff with peter jackson in NZ right now, so the chance of baal returning is slim to none there. 

Source : http://spy.nzherald.co.nz/spy-news/stars-arrive-for-peter-jacksons-hot-new-shoot/

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Man i really want some story info for s3 at this point, speculating anything on it is really hair pulling to piece it together at this point since we don't know which way there going going to go with that ending. Really hope we get something here soon

 

[Panos]

I'm pretty much not confident we'll see anything remake-related done until at least past 2020. 

Something that Fede has said though is that he would be ok with someone else directing the sequel to his Evil Dead as long as he gets to write the script for it.
So there is always the possibility for Fede to write the script and have someone else make it while he is making other stuff. You never know. 

But the fact that the season 2 finale was such slapdash nonsense that makes very little sense speaks to the notion that Craig might be the one in the right.

Well in a sutation like that of course the finale of the show is gonna suffer , Rob was mostly focused on the future of the franchise other than that particular final episode. At the end of the day i think Rob's decision will be better in the long run although the final episode felt off.  

 I hate to be that person, but to be fair Bruce is on-record that they used 'post sweetening' (AKA CGI) in the movie.  it's mostly practical effects but it's 98 percent practical effects.  I believe he said this in a panel after the remake was released.

Yeah they had touch ups. But none of the stuff you see on screen is fake , its all make up and practical effects and camera tricks. The behind the stuff and the movie commentary are pretty interesting as Fede and the cast explain how they shot all the scenes. 

Basically the parts that they touched up was the opening scene with the girl burning alive , but the fire wasnt cgi at all. It was actual fire that they shot sepperately and then composed it onto the girl in post production. 
Then Elizabeths hand transforming , that was all make up that they made appear in stages using CG to cover up the prosthetics before revealing them slowly. 
And then the rest was just to polish up stuff. Those are pretty much the only scenes that used CGI. Even the flooded river scene where most people said "there is no way they did that without CGI" it was an actual flooded river. 

Man i really want some story info for s3 at this point

Didn't we start getting story info about S2 around May last year? I'm guessing its gonna be a similar situation now. 

with a likely assist from the teenagers who grab the Nec from the woods.

And on that note i really don't know who the people picking the book up in the after credits are gonna be since i was convinced that it was gonna be the tie in to the 2013 Evil Dead but at least from what we have now that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Nick el Ass]

I saw the remake twice in theater, and was excited to get to see an Evil Dead movie on the big screen. The movie itself was enjoyable at times while I think Fede did a damn good job for a first time director... but as I have said before to friends and fellow Deadites alike I don't think it is very memorable in the long run. I mean I really liked Mia, but the rest of the cast left a lot to be desired... and if Mia made it into the story I think the only way it happens is if they make a new movie once the tv series ends because it is clear (to me) that Kelly is the heir apparent to Ash while adding Mia would only muddy things up.

You bring up an interesting point, Nick - how will the show handle the direction of Kelly's character, after all that build-up?

That is the big question. I'd like to wait until we get our first glimpse of what season 3 is going to be before I form my entire synopsis because with a whole new crew crazy shit can happen. None the less, I think that Kelly and Pablo are there in part to help keep Ash going in the right direction... and Kelly will be the one to be there to pick up the pieces when he eventually falls. It seems inevitable to me, but getting there will be the most interesting part for which I plan to sit back and enjoy while it lasts.

Here's Sam's Post-Comic Con Mea Culpa Re that.  I'd say EW is a pretty legit source. 

Huh, i had actually never seen that interview before. So yeah thats interesting ,although that was a few years ago and before they completely change the showrunner for the show. But yeah i see your point. At least as far as season 3 goes it doesn't seem like Mia will be making an appearance since something would have been announced by now. Also they have started shooting already and Jane doesnt seem to be anywhere near New Zeland. 

I don't see this as a bad thing personally since in my perfect senario i want a sequel to Fede's Evil Dead before a crossover happens. Give Mia one more (hopefully good) solo movie and then crossover. 

Fede is reportedly going from the woods to the Labyrinth so if this is true the man's dance card will be quite full for the foreseeable future, and we likely won't be seeing a follow up with Fede as a director. http://www.thterrortime.com/fede-alvarez-direct-labyrinth/

 

[MaidOfKandar]

I think the news Nick posted adds credence to my idea.     Barring it falling through (much like his attachment to Inferno), it looks like he'll be booked up through 2020 after all.

Yeah they had touch ups. But none of the stuff you see on screen is fake , its all make up and practical effects and camera tricks. The behind the stuff and the movie commentary are pretty interesting as Fede and the cast explain how they shot all the scenes. 

Basically the parts that they touched up was the opening scene with the girl burning alive , but the fire wasnt cgi at all. It was actual fire that they shot sepperately and then composed it onto the girl in post production. 

Oh, I know none of it's fake - but shot compositing is just a long way around of CGIing it up.   It's not enhancing the shot but pasting it together, instead of actually lighting people ablaze.

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And on that note i really don't know who the people picking the book up in the after credits are gonna be since i was convinced that it was gonna be the tie in to the 2013 Evil Dead but at least from what we have now that doesn't seem to be the case.

Nope!

Spoiler

They've already cast the teenagers who will be playing a role in this season, specifically what seems to be this seasons' love interest for Pablo.