Ash vs Evil Dead S03E02: Booth Three Discussion [SPOILERS]

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maybe I just missed something, but ruby said to her new baby that he's part ash, right? HOW is he part ash? she spilled her own blood on the book, then swallowed some of that blood (so gross), and that's how she got pregnant, right? so how is the baby part ash?

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She used the "Hero from the Sky"/Chosen One page of the Necronomicon. We don't know how that page "formed" inside the book to begin with. In S1. Episode 10 Ruby told Ash that the page magically appeared inside the book during her tenure on it (before 1300).
 

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You're welcome.

I guess the page of the "Hero from the Sky" is deeply connected to Ash, given the fact the Necronomicon absorbed Ash's blood 2 times in the primary timeline:

Bad Ash's blood in S1. Episode 9
The deal between him and Ruby in S1. Episode 9
 

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(@MaidOfKandar Sadly, i'm gonna jog that down to kelly's "hero" arc and pablo's book possession arc getting in the way and their wasn't much room to fit in a romantic subplot in their for s2 and was put on the backburner. BUT, they still had some subtle moments in s2 that stood out. As the saying goes, better late then never i guess)

I think that's why I would've traded off the Linda B storyline with Ash for more Pablo/Kelly. But we know why the universal worldmap ended up getting ruined this way but yep.

-The Demon Baby Ash already having a chainsaw hand growing out of it's arm. (At this point, i'm really not even gonna question it.)

I also absolutely didn't notice this and now I'm cackling.

(@MaidOfKandar, i mean if you think about it from Ruby's POV, she wants brandy to hate/despise/fear ash right ? she has a foundation to do that with the ashy slashy stories and narrative that's been made up by the towns folk. brandy mentioning her being in cheryl's room was basically brandy giving the gun to ruby to really nail ash to the wall with this remark. That's how i view it at least.)

*nods* like I said, it's a way to do it. I think there's some power in "Your sister melted all over you" that could and should be mined at some point. Like it's completely fucked up if you think about it - Cheryl literally melted all over Ash, and so did Scotty, but canon has never punched up that point.

maybe I just missed something, but ruby said to her new baby that he's part ash, right? HOW is he part ash? she spilled her own blood on the book, then swallowed some of that blood (so gross), and that's how she got pregnant, right? so how is the baby part ash?

This is an excellent question, since the blood the book is inked with isn't Ash's. You'd also think he wrecking the illustration would somehow ruin Ash's hero from the sky status but nope.
 

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She used the "Hero from the Sky"/Chosen One page of the Necronomicon. We don't know how that page "formed" inside the book to begin with. In S1. Episode 10 Ruby told Ash that the page magically appeared inside the book during her tenure on it (before 1300).

The problem with that is that it's definitely in the book during Army of Darkness, and how the Wiseman recognizes Ash in the first place.
 

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The problem with that is that it's definitely in the book during Army of Darkness, and how the Wiseman recognizes Ash in the first place.

Just mentioned in AoD, not showed. However the page is on there, of course. The page appeared centuries or decades before AoD, when Ruby STILL owned the Necronomicon. Don't forget that Ruby lost its traces and thus the Necronomicon "disappeared" in 1300 AD.
 

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so if ruby was some sort of elder god or demon or whatever, and she wrote the book (or stole it from whoever did, or whatever)...how did she lose it? how did the 3 books come to be sitting unprotected in a graveyard in 1300 England? is there any backstory about this?
 

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so if ruby was some sort of elder god or demon or whatever, and she wrote the book (or stole it from whoever did, or whatever)...how did she lose it? how did the 3 books come to be sitting unprotected in a graveyard in 1300 England? is there any backstory about this?

She's half demon, half human = Dark One. And yes, she wrote the book, she created it. We don't know if she did that alone, however.

One thing is for sure: someone stole the Necronomicon from her (the Knights of Sumeria?). The other two books were just a trap. So no, the Necronomicon wasn't "unprotected" :)
 

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After finally getting a chance to watch this episode without interruption I have to say I laughed my ass off at the obvious overdub of hitchhiker Eric/babies first meal saying "wait here" even though it wasn't quite a work shed type moment it was still great. I didn't even notice the baby chainsaw hand thing until @Joem1k mentioned, but they handled the baby very well along with Ruby's insides in which you could see her heart beating which looked much better than it did in the trailer. I think they also overdubbed Brandy telling Ash to go away before pulling the blankets over her head, and like @MaidOfKandar said the fact that Ash is trying his best to be a dad is nice even with his cool dad speech, heh. Plus we get the bonus of seeing all the drawings in Cheryl's bedroom since they put Brandy in there, but it freaked me out on Twitter when some people like the #Bringbacktheboomstick brigade came out in full force Tweeting about how the art reminded them of the video for Take On Me. However, from what I could see that seemed to be the crews main selling point to Starz despite the fact that they only used the publicity stills for the art instead of the drawing of Ash. The Fruit Loops scene had one of my favorite camera tricks in it after Ash does a spit take, and sees his other kids at the door which reminded me of some of the weird little tricks Sam would do when directing the original trilogy. Now the naked chick with the mask that Pablo saw on the bed in the trailer was something straight out of Xena minus the full on boobage, and the response from Dalton after seeing Pablo gave me hope for him being more than just a kneeling Ash fanboy. Ok, on to the meat and potatoes of Booth Three with the battle in the spank bank which is fittingly down the street from the movie theater and right next door to the Elk Grove Pawn Shop. It is here that we learn from Mrs. Lam that Brock produced a lovely semen, but also apparently had syphilis too :(. I would say my only complaint with this episode is the issue of booty magazine seems to be more focused on boobs, but Ash shows he is the master of taking on any detached body parts while taking on Mrs. Lam at the same time while she is lobbing loads of jizz at him like Spider-Man, hahaha. I think this episode is one of the best overall for the series, and really don't know what we would do if we didn't have Ash vs Evil Dead around to spark such strange conversations.
 
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THE GOOD: The first half of this episode was the best this show has ever been. They're finally striking a nice balance in terms of tone. There's funny and outrageous, but there's also real, sincere drama. They're finally treating the characters like real people and they're actually taking large steps at fixing Ash's characterization. This guy felt like the real Ash once again. For the first time, Bruce seemed to be really into it instead of working on autopilot. The dialogue and character interactions have improved considerably. I also never would've thought that Dalton could be an interesting character, but so far, he is. I'm loving the addition of small details and subtle, less obvious references to the movies and what came before. I'm loving the expansion of lore. This season seems to have actual themes running through it and a solid storyline to sustain them, instead of the usual "random crazy shit happens and nothing really matters" approach of the previous seasons. Loved the baby, the practical effects, the use of LoDuca's score and the camera work. The first ten minutes of this episode are an example of how good AvED could be. It looks like the showrunner switch-a-roo shenanigans really was worth it. It seems to me they could finally be on the right track.

THE BAD: Unfortunately, they fall back on old habits on the second half of the episode and the quality took a major nosedive out of a sudden. Once Ash got to the sperm bank, it felt like I was watching the previous seasons again. Even old pervy moron Ash came back. I had to roll my eyes when he started randomly looking at a porn mag and just decided to make another donation right then and there... And that scene just seemed to go on and on. At first I thought it was a ruse on his part so he could go inside and steal all of his sperm back, that he was using the negative expectations people have of him to get something he needed, and I thought "ok, that's actually clever", but nope. He really was just acting dumb and pervy, as usual. Personally, I thought the inclusion of the Take On Me song had nothing to do with the scene, felt tacked on and really didn't add anything of value to it. In fact, it was extremely distracting. It only made me scratch my head. It felt like a random "let's cash in on all that 80's nostalgia that's so popular right now" decision. The sperm flinging fight wasn't as bad as the corpse scene from last season and I'll admit it had some pretty cool effects and camera work, but I still don't like the concept of it and it just reminded me of everything I hate about the show. If the first half of the episode made me think they could be striking a good balance in terms of tone and characterization, the second half made me worried that there will be conflicting tones and characterizations this season.

THE UGLY: Although I'm actually enjoying Ruby's character and the execution of her storyline, it is still very messy and some of the framing of it all raises a lot of questions (like the whole "playing-school-counselor-for-how-long-exactly-and-why-while-also-delivering-and-caring-for-a-vicious-demonic-baby" bit). At least they seem to have a more solid plan for her now, finally settling on a single interpretation of who they want her to be and shining a light on where she came from. On an unrelated personal note, Pablo's Brujo shtick still doesn't work for me and I always lose interest when they go into into that stuff. It feels like mixing two completely different mythologies that don't really go together. I think it's unnecessary.

RANDOM OBSERVATION: Ash's fatherhood and progeny seems to be a much bigger theme to this season than I originally expected, not being limited to Brandy. That's actually a very smart move on the writers' part. All of his potential unknown offspring played a big part on this episode and even Ruby's demon baby could be seen as Ash's son, in a way. Now I really want that theory about
Dalton being Ash's great-great-great-grandson through Sheila
to be confirmed. It would make a lot of sense in this story.
 
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While yeah it did indeed feel like it fell back on old habits that Craig used to do. BUT i felt it was better handled/paced and executed then well just ash getting his shoved up some dudes ass and calling it a day with some half assed one liner that was used in the first season's finale, it was actually funny this time around and the grosser elements were used to a minimum, it wasn't in your face with it like the morgue scene was.

it also actually played a part in the story and there was some depth to why ash would be there in the first place then just him simply going to retrieve a book and crazy shit starts to happen. ash getting distracted from his mission is something ash would do despite the context of the scene. I chalk it up to how he forgot the words in AoD. (Another thing to note, he did not get that information so they left that little detail a open book for now)

I also didn't feel it conflicted with the tone in the aftermath scene, ash didn't follow it up with any pervy comment or joke, he was mortified by what happened and didn't wanna talk about it except give them a hint of what happened. Then he went on to talk about how protecting brandy was job 1 and evil ain't gonna take that away from him this time.

About the brujo stuff, i think that's the intention of it not pairing up cause it's two different worlds/cultures and belief's, the only thing they have in common is that they are both supernatural, we have the necronomicon's lore and history, now we have some lore with pablo's heritage and culture that i feel it adds more to pablo's character and backstory then him just being the dorky sidekick. I personally find it interesting and can't wait to see how it plays out.
 
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While yeah it did indeed feel like it fell back on old habits that Craig used to do. BUT i felt it was better handled/paced and executed then well just ash getting his shoved up some dudes ass and calling it a day with some half assed one liner that was used in the first season's finale, it was actually funny this time around and the grosser elements were used to a minimum, it wasn't in your face with it like the morgue scene was.

it also actually played a part in the story and there was some depth to why ash would be there in the first place then just him simply going to retrieve a book and crazy shit starts to happen. ash getting distracted from his mission is something ash would do despite the context of the scene. I chalk it up to how he forgot the words in AoD. (Another thing to note, he did not get that information so they left that little detail a open book for now)

Yeah, I certainly agree with you on most of that, but I think I already talked about the difference between Ash forgetting the words or taking too many drops of the potion in AoD and his actions on the show: Ash was never intentionally dumb in the movies. Those mistakes he used to make didn't come from sheer stupidity and randomly making poor decisions, but from recklessness and a lack of attention to detail. Also from being thrown in situations he didn't fully understand and being fate's plaything. That's why I really wouldn't call movie Ash dumb. AvED Ash on the other hand, is in fact, kind of a moron.

I also didn't feel it conflicted with the tone in the aftermath scene, ash didn't follow it up with any pervy comment or joke, he was mortified by what happened and didn't wanna talk about it except give them a hint of what happened. Then he went on to talk about how protecting brandy was job 1 and evil ain't gonna take that away from him this time.

About the brujo stuff, i think that's the intention of it not pairing up cause it's two different worlds/cultures and belief's, the only thing they have in common is that they are both supernatural, we have the necronomicon's lore and history, now we have some lore with pablo's heritage and culture that i feel it adds more to pablo's character and backstory then him just being the dorky sidekick. I'm personally find it interesting and can't wait to see how it plays out.

I can understand that it didn't feel conflicting to you, but to me it did, very much so. As usual, personal mileage may vary. Or maybe I was just still disappointed by the few steps back in Ash's characterization they took during the sperm bank scenes after the much improved characterization at the beginning of the episode.

Concerning Pablo, I honestly think he already has enough going on with things in the story that relate to Evil Dead mythology without throwing the Brujo stuff on top of it. Even without the Brujo stuff, he's no longer just a dorky sidekick. The Brujo stuff just doesn't work for me. But once again, your mileage may vary. This is just a matter of personal taste, really.
 
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I don't think it was really a dumb move per say but more so his habits getting the better of him and him losing focus of what he was actually there to do, and it ended up getting him into a terrible situation.

For sure, i get that. I guess i'm excited to see pablo's arc into becoming a brujo finally be realized this season.
 
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I must confess that I don't like ANY "second episode" out of each AvED season.

Bait, Morgue and Booth Three are just weak, in my humble opinion. Bait was more Evil Dead-ish, but not charming. Morgue has a good atmosphere but no story. Booth Three... well, solid episode, but I don't like the sperm bank sequence that much, it doesn't feel Evil Dead at all to me.
 
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so if ruby was some sort of elder god or demon or whatever, and she wrote the book (or stole it from whoever did, or whatever)...how did she lose it? how did the 3 books come to be sitting unprotected in a graveyard in 1300 England? is there any backstory about this?

I was guessing it was when she was cast out of hell? Either way the plotholes of how she can't seem to properly rewrite something she co-created still grates.

@DyD I actually disagree with you a bit on the tone; I agree that the beginning had a nonsensical sense of skeeze about it (Ash is trying to protect his semen; why would he try to make more when danger's afoot). I feel like it got properly subverted (and felt very Raimi-ish) when the porn mag came to life and beat the crap out of Ash and grabbed him by the junk. "The innocent must suffer" indeed.

My opinion on Pablo's arc is up in the air -I really want to see where it's going and want to see him keep evolving beyond 'demonic chew toy.'

I think this episode is one of the best overall for the series, and really don't know what we would do if we didn't have Ash vs Evil Dead around to spark such strange conversations.

This is what I think whenever I start typing a post about demon jizz :D
 
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Yeah, I certainly agree with you on most of that, but I think I already talked about the difference between Ash forgetting the words or taking too many drops of the potion in AoD and his actions on the show: Ash was never intentionally dumb in the movies. Those mistakes he used to make didn't come from sheer stupidity and randomly making poor decisions, but from recklessness and a lack of attention to detail. Also from being thrown in situations he didn't fully understand and being fate's plaything. That's why I really wouldn't call movie Ash dumb. AvED Ash on the other hand, is in fact, kind of a moron.

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I actually disagree with you a bit on the tone; I agree that the beginning had a nonsensical sense of skeeze about it (Ash is trying to protect his semen; why would he try to make more when danger's afoot). I feel like it got properly subverted (and felt very Raimi-ish) when the porn mag came to life and beat the crap out of Ash and grabbed him by the junk. "The innocent must suffer" indeed.

I really loved the hand coming out of the magazine. It did feel very Raimi-esque. It's just the context around it that I have issues with. So we don't really disagree that much.


I knew you would agree with me on that. Yeah, Ash in the movies actually tried to do things right, but no matter how hard he tried, things would still go sideways for him. In a way, he was kind of cursed by Murphy's Law. He even used to come up with good ideas and make sound strategic decisions, but his own brashness and the situations constantly changing around him usually made things blow up on his face.
 
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I think Raimi once compared Ash to Job and I'm like YES. That's who the poor guy is!
 
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