Ash vs Evil Dead Season 3 General Discussion Thread

As much as I would love that .... Have there ever been any producers or creative staff members of any show who have done something like that? Discussion their own show's flaws openly in the public? Look at The Simpsons. They have been critized by the media and their original fans for becoming a dim witted self-parody for two damns decades now, but they still pump out seasons after seaons without changing anything, because the show is a incredible cash cow. Today's fans are different People than the folks, who grow up with it in the 80s and 90s.

The same could be the case here. Apparently AvED is not that rewarding financialy. But I somehow doubt that original movies fans like us are really the core audience at all. I got the Feeling they aim for the same people who like silly b-movie trash like sharknado or modern horror comedies in general, not so much fans of the classics like us.
 
The chances that anybody related to the show are in any way reading what is being posted here or in internet forums in general are very slim to none. It would help if fans on social media like twitter instead of acting like the show is the greatest thing since sliced bread would actually be honest and adress these issue directly to Bruce/Rob etc.

But under almost every AvED related tweets Bruce posts all i see is people saying how absolutely amazing the show is and how they can't believe that it wouldn't be renewed , and they blame STARZ etc. Like really? I guess some people will litteraly watch anything as long as Bruce stars in it. Cause that is litteraly the only reason people are watching.
 
Muzzlehatch said:
As much as I would love that .... Have there ever been any producers or creative staff members of any show who have done something like that? Discussion their own show's flaws openly in the public? Look at The Simpsons. They have been critized by the media and their original fans for becoming a dim witted self-parody for two damns decades now, but they still pump out seasons after seaons without changing anything, because the show is a incredible cash cow. Today's fans are different People than the folks, who grow up with it in the 80s and 90s.

The same could be the case here. Apparently AvED is not that rewarding financialy. But I somehow doubt that original movies fans like us are really the core audience at all. I got the Feeling they aim for the same people who like silly b-movie trash like sharknado or modern horror comedies in general, not so much fans of the classics like us.

You're right.  I've never heard of a producers lurking in a forum and post : "Hey! What do you want to see in the next episode?"

The only time a saw this it was for a game called Splatterhouse (2010 remake). The first studio in charge of the game was posting stuffs and discussing in a fan forum...But I guess the gaming industrie is different...


Anyway Season 3 is already in the box and nothing will change.  Even if there"s a season 4 and producers ask fans what they want in next season.  At this point, they can't fix everything.  There's already too much damage done and the entire season would be about patching previous season's mistakes.  

Ash need to go back in time and tell to the smoking pot girl to "Go home...".  This option is not very original since they already explore it in the illusion scene in S1 but it fix everything. It undo the whole series.   You can always bring the Doc Brown timeline theory from Back to the Future II.  But who care!?  The current time line is not even logic.  They f***d it up big time in season 2.  Seem the AVED writers have never seen a Back to the Future movie...
 
Muzzlehatch said:
MaidOfKandar said:
Maybe if Sam had stayed on as a director there would've been more cohesiveness  I agree that either Ivan, Sam or Scotty had to have brought the human factor to the story, because that's where the show suffers the most.  

I agree. But there are also many comics and even some video games, which were not written by anyone from the old gang (as far as I know), but still achieve the same style and atmosphere I love about the movies.

For example in my opinion Ash from EVIL DEAD REGENERATION is way better written and closer to the movie character than the show's portrayal. The game had some sexual refrences and a comic relief sidekick but it was handled in a quite clever and balanced way. I don't get, why they could not pull of something like this for television.


Excellent point!  Lots of authors - especially Steve Niles - know how to bring humor and heart and actual wit and soul to the franchise outside of its so-called "official" writers.  

I liked how that handled the sexual references - mostly because Ash KNOWS it's ridiculous to say what he does and the woman is Not Amused.  That Ash matches the movies' continuity pretty well.


Hurley said:
MaidOfKandar said:
We'll still have the comics and video games (and I don't put it past Bruce to pop up in whatever thing Fede's going to end up making in the reboot continuity).  I won't never say never and also wouldn't be shocked if they try to Kickstart a fourth movie but yeah, this might be our last shot at ever having anything longform with Bruce in the lead and an Evil Dead label on it.  And it's a shame, and you know he's going to blame this on phantom illegal downloaders.  Which is hilarious, because people who care about the show the most are 35+ and more likely to buy physical media as well as watching traditionally through cable (which was why AvEd 1 did great DVD sales, but declined into mediocrity for season 2 once word of mouth got around).

I'm going to end up writing a piece in the future about how strangely conceived the entire show was.  I think a lot, like a LOT of what we're seeing right now boils down to creative conflicts.  Maybe if Sam had stayed on as a director there would've been more cohesiveness  I agree that either Ivan, Sam or Scotty had to have brought the human factor to the story, because that's where the show suffers the most.  It soars whenever it cuts closest to that bone, combines Ash's emotional scars with the Looney Tunes fucked-up ness of the Deadites; it falters when it doesn't bother to close character arcs,  You could say it did the same thing in ED1 and EDII, but the difference is we CARE about characters like Annie and Arthur and Scotty even if they aren't perfectly conceived or fleshed out or their arcs are awkward or stunted.  Season 2 of AvED built an entire episode around Lacey and then didn't even have the grace to have her turn Deadite onscreen; they built this big emotional backstory for Chet, only to kill him off with a cheap one-liner.  They built up this love story for Linda Bates and Ash, and will apparently be abandoning it fairly soon into season 3.  The character continuity for Kelly and Pablo have been either flat or flanderised.  Do not get me started on Ruby.  Like I am a huge Bruce fan, but considering Bruce's general playful contempt for writers and his need to adlib whenever he comes across a line he doesn't like perhaps he really did need an onset editor.  There have been absolutely no major one-liners coming out of this show that'll stand the test of time, and since a LOT of AOD's memorable stuff seems to have evolved from Sam and Bruce's on-set interplay the missing ingredient was indeed Sam.

I'm not quite ready to give up on the show and say it's done yet (what, me the optimist?) because anything can happen, but doubling down on its worst aspects isn't a good sign.

Here's a question that's been bugging me for a while.

If I'm not mistaken, this is probably the larges fan site about Evil Dead. Someone could argue that www.bookofthedead.ws is up there, but that's not as well updated and they don't really concern themselves with the show.

Surely, the AvED production team has some intern or someone to check fan responses. And surely, someone like that at some point must have checked this site and this forum.

So my question is: are they aware of not only the criticism repeated over and over again not only here, but as I'm sure also on other sites? Criticism not only about the shortcomings of this show as an Evil Dead project, but as a quality TV drama in general? And do they even care?

Actually, I can confirm that they're at least paying partial attention to the Twitter hashtag and Facebook.  Several of the actors have acknowledged my Tweets.  This may just be because I'm super loud and annoying in the hashtag, though! I am pretty sure that they DO care about the quality of the show, and that Bruce was proud of Season one, at the very least. The problem with the show is that it was renewed first on the strength of the buzz for the season 1 trailer which never paid off as an actual dividend for anything but DVD sales; season 3 came about because the sales for the season 1 DVDs were stellar. The thing is once word circulated about season 2 everything fell downhill.

Now because of the critical acclaim and the inflated fan praise, they're going "Well, why don't we have huge ratings?" The answers are simple: the franchise is niche and even in that niche they've annoyed some viewers, the demo they targeted (young frat boys) aren't watching the show or prioritizing it, and even for people who like it it's dvd, torrent, or buy-per-episode later material.
 
I recently bought and watched the Season 2 blu-ray and, I still like it....

I don't disagree with a lot of the criticisms, mind, but the shows feels very Evil Dead 2 to me...

Could it be better? Oh yes, but I think it gets a lot right.

Maybe I'm shallow. ;-)
 
In surprising good news, Netflix US finally has streaming rights to AvED seasons 1-2.
 
Already posted:

http://www.deadites.net/ash-vs-evil-dead-now-streaming-nextflix/

Smart move although they should have done it earlier.
 
Sutter Cane said:
Well, for an unkown reason, they only added season 1 on Netflix Canada... :S

Same here in Brazil, but from what I can gather, it's common practice. When the show isn't a Netflix original, it's nearly always one season behind on purpose. The previous season is only added when the current season starts airing, and sometimes only after it's finished. So I don't expect to see season 2 added before season 3 premieres. My guess is that it's probably because of distribution deals with local channels and what not.
 
Nothing here in the Czech Republic, though it makes sense we were left behind. We only got Netflix here like a year ago and it's not even translated yet.
 
Yep, sadly from what I grasped, only the US has season 2; every other region only has season 1.

New promo pic:

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Also the official Twitter seems to be running some kind of watchalong series, every Saturday night.
 
Happy new year, and in honor of 2018 here is a new video reminding you to drink responsibly.


https://twitter.com/AshvsEvilDead/status/947527799518109698
 
Nick el Ass said:
Happy new year, and in honor of 2018 here is a new video reminding you to drink responsibly.


https://twitter.com/AshvsEvilDead/status/947527799518109698

Ha! Love it! Pure eighties style cheese! I confess I don’t recognise the blonde lady (although her face is vaguely familiar). Plays a new character in season 3 I guess.
 
Sutter Cane said:
Shemp beer...again!?

I think Shemps, or shemping will always be a thing when it comes to the Evil Dead... but this I think is more about those involved as opposed to just the cheesy little commercials from the past season. Perhaps with a little bit of foreshadowing this time.
 
Nick el Ass said:
Sutter Cane said:
Shemp beer...again!?

I think Shemps, or shemping will always be a thing when it comes to the Evil Dead... but this I think is more about those involved as opposed to just the cheesy little commercials from the past season. Perhaps with a little bit of foreshadowing this time.

Yeah I know what Shemps is about.  But exploiting the same concept over and over is just lazy.  The theme for season 3 is school.  Why not make fake school advertisements?
 
I don't understand this marketing:

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https://twitter.com/STARZ/status/948282780395425792
 
The marketing for this show has been baffling. It tells us absolutely nothing about the season and what to expect from it, so it does nothing in getting people excited for it or wanting to watch it. It's all so cryptic, weird and viral that sometimes it hardly even relates to Evil Dead at all beyond a superficial level. It's like they have no idea how to sell it, who they should be selling to or even what it is they're selling to begin with. Hell, we didn't even get a proper trailer yet, all we got was that weird teaser that looked like a rough cut.
 
I will say something for the Shemp Beer commercial; it's at least interesting and eye catching and feels like a mock-80s ad (though anything that smacks of Ash/Kelly romance will give me the wiggins forever now thanks to him almost becoming her bio dad).

But everyone's right; the marketing for AvED's always been downright bizarre, from forcing the Starz interns manning the social media to be "punchy and witty" in the Ash style to that Valentine's Day stunt to the ream of fake S-Mart ads to the Ash for President stuff, all of it tries to build a world that feels like it should be Evil Dead adjacent but never informs the season or actually does anything to hype it up.  DyD's got it - It's like a vague series of attempts to go viral, only the people in charge of Starz marketing has no idea how the hell to do that - it's too polished and commercial and smacks of someone at Starz going "WHAT DO THE KIDS LIKE?!  EMOJIS?!  IRONY?!".
 
MaidOfKandar said:
I will say something for the Shemp Beer commercial; it's at least interesting and eye catching and feels like a mock-80s ad (though anything that smacks of Ash/Kelly romance will give me the wiggins forever now thanks to him almost becoming her bio dad).

But everyone's right; the marketing for AvED's always been downright bizarre, from forcing the Starz interns manning the social media to be "punchy and witty" in the Ash style to that Valentine's Day stunt to the ream of fake S-Mart ads to the Ash for President stuff, all of it tries to build a world that feels like it should be Evil Dead adjacent but never informs the season or actually does anything to hype it up.  DyD's got it - It's like a vague series of attempts to go viral, only the people in charge of Starz marketing has no idea how the hell to do that - it's too polished and commercial and smacks of someone at Starz going "WHAT DO THE KIDS LIKE?!  EMOJIS?!  IRONY?!".

I wouldn't have any problems with the weird, ironic and meta stuff if they were also releasing regular marketing pieces on a steady pace to go along with it, but there aren't even any decent trailers and proper teasers for it out there. Even the posters and promotional images are weird, cryptic and tell us nothing about the show. It seems to me they're trying to generate curiosity by being all mysterious and hip about it, but it's getting them the exact opposite result. It's actually burying the show and makes it look like they're trying to hide the product behind a curtain of deception. In my opinion, they should really be going for a more traditional approach to marketing, specially for this season. This approach certainly isn't gonna help them with the dwindling audience problem.
 
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